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You have got to be kidding me

Posted on: August 31, 2008

Two things to ponder this Labour Day Weekend:

1. New Orleans is Sinking…again

Hurricane Gustav is projected to make landfall tomorrow morning as a Category 4 Hurricane.

Folks, almost exactly three years ago Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans as a Category 3.

Can’t these people just catch a fucking break?

2. Bree Van de Kamp Hodge – I mean, Sarah Palin

I was sitting in my parents’ living room, minding my own business, when Mom flipped the TV to CBC Newsworld. They announced the presumptive Republican Presidential Candidate had picked someone named Sarah Palin as his running-mate.

Oh, I thought to myself. A woman; I wonder who she is? Hm, probably just trying to grab those PUMAs who are now voting republican because Hillary didn’t win. (yes, I think semi-colons sometimes).

So I fired up my laptop, got into dad’s wireless and asked Google who this mystery woman was.

And was promptly scared out of my skin.

I wrote earlier how I was, at the end of the day, disappointed that Hillary Clinton didn’t win – at some fundamental level, I really hoped a woman would become President. Vice-President then? It would have been bad for Obama’s legitimacy to have her as a running mate, so okay.

But Sarah Palin scares the bejeezus out of me. She is, in my (not-so) humble opinion, the kind of Republican that gives Republicans a bad name. She seems to be the Bree Van de Kamp Hodge of Alaska (read: Republican, member of the NRA, and a story on the DailyKos reads like a story from Desperate Housewives)

The MOMocrats have a good primer on Governor Palin. I’m going to leave aside the environmental concerns and the tax issues. What alarms me is the “pro-life” moniker.

Lets just get something straight: the debate on abortion is between “pro-life” and “pro-choice”; I imagine there are very few people out there who are “pro-abortion.” And if you are pro-life, great. The world needs people like you. But your values are not my values – and I value having the choice that cases like Roe v. Wade have given.

Governor Palin’s version of pro-life is to be anti-abortion, even in the case of rape or incest.

So lets get this straight: a teenager is raped, becomes pregnant and is forced to have the child and make a decision whether to give the child up for adoption or raise it herself.

Sure, there’s a choice there – a life altering choice no teenager should have to make. And you’ve put two lives in danger.

Or a pregnant woman with severe pre-eclampsia is admitted to hospital after fighting for a long time just to get pregnant. The doctors can’t control it and if they don’t terminate, the lives of the babies and the mother will be lost. One of the babies has already died, the other is struggling, and the mother is in severe danger. Take away the choice to terminate and you end up with three deaths instead of two.

On the flipside, there’s the whole issue of choice. Many women have fought long and hard to be seen as equals/near-equals to men when it comes to governing their own bodies. And it is a quick slippery slope down to reverting to a time when women had no choice.

So think about it: do you value your “fundamental freedoms” (i.e. choice) more than you value the right to life?

But she’s only set up for the Vice-Presidency. She’s basically an advisor, say those who may not agree with me.

Well, yes. And no. John McCain is 72 with a history of health problems including being in remission for cancer. If anything happens to him, she’s the one in power. She sets the agenda (*gulp*).

Are you willing to have your right to choose – not just over your own body, but over everything that women have engaged in a hard-fought, long campaign for? Are you willing to run that risk?

As Hillary Clinton said, its about policy, not personality. But its also about values. Policy, at the end of the day is about the collective values of a society. Again, those come back to democracy. The fundamental tenet of democracy is about choice: to vote (or not); to pick between candidates; to choose different candidates for different bodies.

The pursuit of happiness is vested in choice.

And those values that take away choice are simply not acceptable in a democratic country.

This post is related to the MOMocrats‘ “Palin in Comparison” series, which starts tomorrow. Go over there to read.

10 Responses to "You have got to be kidding me"

Right on, sistah! Thanks for pointing us to your post!


Great post! Came from MOMocrats!

I do respect that you at least admit abortion involves someone dying, which means it involves killing, which would indicate murder was involved.

As for rape or the impending death of the mother, those are covered by the right to self defense, which is valid under the law. Those are cases most Republicans would concede. The suggestion, though, that Obama made that if one of his daughter’s screwed up then he doesn’t believe they should be “punished” with a child. I don’t think of children as a punishment, as I hope mothers would not. He basically advocated abortion as birth control, which is horrible.

Interested American, that’s a well, interesting take. Do you have a source for Obama’s comment on “child as punishment”? I probably haven’t been keeping up on this as well as you have.

And that a woman’s right to choose in this case is protected under “right to self defense” – well, what if she’s unconscious and can’t defend herself? It pretty much two separate issues. A woman shouldn’t have to plead self defense in this case in order to protect herself from any potential litigation.

And then there’s that whole “partial birth abortion thing” (which isn’t even a medical procedure) which the Bush Administration signed into law; well, that’s bullshit in my books. What they’ve done, in effect, is outlaw a procedure that’s far less dangrous to the mother and made the only legal one a more dangerous one. Cecily (, who I linked to in this post has a really detailed post on it somewhere on her website.

Like I said, its not about being pro-abortion or anti-abortion; its about choice.

You are somewhat mistaken on one point. Governor Palin believes that abortion is acceptable if (and only if) the mother’s life is truly at stake. So youe example using pre-eclampsia isn’t valid- she’s ok with it in that case. Convenience? Not so much.

I don’t understand what many feminists don’t like about Governor Palin. Isn’t she everything that NOW wants? She’s independently successful in her career(s) while raising a family. She seemingly can do it all. But she’s got this one issue that you can’t deal with- she thinks that every baby is a blessing, if not to the biological parents, then to the adopted parents. As an adopted child, I tend to agree with her.

Governor Palin called her son, Trig, a blessing- “he looks perfect to me.” Senator Obama said that he didn’t want his daughter punished with a baby if she “makes a mistake.” Babies aren’t mistakes.

If Senator McCain (who was never going to get your vote anyway) chose a guy with the exact same record, you’d just dismiss him as “another conservative hack.” The fact that she’s a woman adds a level of hatred that I don’t understand. It’s almost as if her stand on abortion makes a traitor to the XX chromosome club.

I understand how far women have come, and how tenuous our hold on those successes supposedly is. Is it so hard for you to celebrate the success of the first woman who has a realistic chance of becoming the first female Vice President of the United States? (I love Geraldine Ferraro to death, but she didn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of being elected.)

Fair enough, I stand corrected on the “threat to a mother’s life” bit.

I’d really like to know the source and context of Obama’s statement on “babies as punishment/mistakes” so if someone could leave a comment to that speech/news article, etc. that’d be great.

And again, feminism is not all about equal rights in the liberal sense (i.e. – sameness). Feminism is about choice: you have the right to choose to go to work, or stay home, or work at home.

Sadly, the Bush Administration hasn’t made this choice available.

Again, none of this is about abortion; its about CHOICE.

(Oh, and Beth, none of them are getting my vote anyways; I’m Canadian so can’t vote :))

Here is the youtube video clip of it. He was at a Johnstown, PA townhall meeting.

link to video

“If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD.”

Thanks for pointing to the video, Beth.

I’d really like to know the question he was responding to – does anyone have that?

According to this CNN transcript (which is a transcript of a CNN show, not the entire townhall meeting), and I quote: “Let’s go to straight to Senator Barack Obama. He just was asked a question about how his administration, if he’s elected, would deal with the issue of HIV and AIDS and also sexually transmitted diseases with young girls. Here’s Senator Barack Obama.” He talks about sex education and then goes on to talk about healthcare. The quote I mentioned above was a sort of segue between the two.

Kudos to you for publishing-plurked at
Are you aware that Sarah P’s teenage daughter is pregnant?!? values..sigh

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